PING Charles Novins, Esq.

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in the
ass in real life. I love it.

Any additional pathetic attempts to harass and stalk me in my real
life will be scanned and made available for the entire world to
laugh at. If you actually do follow through on your impotent
threat to file some kind of legal action against me, it will be
most amusing to see what "damages" you claim to have suffered as a
result of your bleating and posturing on Usenet.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops and
report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those things
and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to knowingly
report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you giving
legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's posted
some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear notice.

Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is insufficient as a
formal notice to desist.

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the only
legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get legal counsel
from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his eye on
the line.

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post because
he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor widdle
thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone beyond a
"taunt fest."

I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO, AB/Novins
has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact that he engages in
the precise behavior of which he complains--trolling and flaming--as
well as going far beyond it--libeling and taking it into real life.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

You're a cowering spankard on Usenet, and soon to be a cowering
spankard in real life. Your lower lip is quivering right now,
isn't it? Cry, pussy, it's all you can do.
(PLACEHOLDER: Here's where several idiots claim, in ROT13, that
I'm "Bowtie" or "Greg".)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than a few
enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at that. It
takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action, particularly
when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs of me
with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a *smarty*...*I*
caught on to the *distinction* between RL and usenet early.
Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your real life
in a meaningful way? Just curious.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and is
discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

I think Novins has a fantasy about bringing usenet to its metaphorical
knees. The one thing he seems not to realize is that there are far more
egregious cases that have gotten very little play, even with the media
and the government involved. The concern about bullying has to do with
children--no one wants a 13-year old badgered until she slits her
wrists. Adults are assumed to have the emotional wherewithal to protect
themselves, and they don't make especially attractive victims,
especially when they are bullies trying to style themselves as victims.
This is all just childish flaming, except to the extent that he, a
lawyer, has engaged in tactics no good lawyer would sink to use.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

"You know you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to."
William J. Martini, Judge, United States District Court

§ñühw€£f

2009-02-09 15:41:25 UTC

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Your little piece of paper trash that arrived in my mailbox is not
welcome, you are hereby notified to stay away from me and to stay
out of my mailboxes. I will not call you on the phone to

discuss

your "certain matters" (no doubt pertaining to your severely
ruffled kook feathers, I assume).

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in the
ass in real life. I love it.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops and
report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those things
and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to knowingly
report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you giving
legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Mailing people in RL or the fLaming people online?

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's posted
some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear

notice.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is insufficient as a
formal notice to desist.

Hmmm...since its technically been "published" I suppose it would be
official.

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the only
legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get legal

counsel

from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his eye on
the line.

I ment why would buttless give useful advice to his enemy?

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post because
he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor widdle
thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone beyond a
"taunt fest."
I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO,

AB/Novins

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact that he engages in
the precise behavior of which he complains--trolling and flaming--as
well as going far beyond it--libeling and taking it into real life.

I see your point. I'm getting so used to k00ks that they are starting
to seem reasonable.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than a few
enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at that. It
takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action, particularly
when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs of me
with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a *smarty*...*I*
caught on to the *distinction* between RL and usenet early.
Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your real life
in a meaningful way? Just curious.

It would depend on what it entailed of course :)
Coming to my house and making threats to my *face* would likely result
in some gunplay.
Montana has a law now that you can bust a cap in a tresspassers ass if
they're on your property, especially if they threaten you.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and is
discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

Exactly. Buttless wont crush usenet; teh gubamint will.
If given the chance anyway under the well worn banner of "THINK OF TEH
CHILDRENS!!!1111!!!!"

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
Adults are assumed to have the emotional wherewithal to protect
themselves, and they don't make especially attractive victims,
especially when they are bullies trying to style themselves as

victims.

Like in butlesses case? Yeah, gee...*who* woulda figured you come into
a NG and start flaming people and they respond?
It boggles, I tells ya!

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
This is all just childish flaming, except to the extent that he, a
lawyer, has engaged in tactics no good lawyer would sink to use.

Some people really crave the spotlight.
The judge in the case of that famous blond bimbo (name escapes me atm)
was a perfect example of that.
--
http://eyeonpalin.org/
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/:/ /\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \ \:\ \
/:/ /::\ \ _____\:\ \ ___ \:\ \ ___ /::\ \
/:/_/:/\:\__\ /::::::::\__\ /\ \ \:\__\ /\ /:/\:\__\
\:\/:/ /:/ / \:\~~\~~\/__/ \:\ \ /:/ / \:\/:/ \/__/
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\/_/:/ / \:\ \ \:\/:/ / \:\ \
/:/ / \:\__\ \::/ / \:\__\

Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

2009-02-09 17:19:17 UTC

Your little piece of paper trash that arrived in my mailbox is
not welcome, you are hereby notified to stay away from me and
to stay out of my mailboxes. I will not call you on the phone
to discuss your "certain matters" (no doubt pertaining to your
severely ruffled kook feathers, I assume).

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in the
ass in real life. I love it.

Any additional pathetic attempts to harass and stalk me in my
real life will be scanned and made available for the entire
world to laugh at. If you actually do follow through on your
impotent threat to file some kind of legal action against me,
it will be most amusing to see what "damages" you claim to have
suffered as a result of your bleating and posturing on Usenet.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops and
report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those things
and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to knowingly
report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you
giving legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Mailing people in RL or the fLaming people online?

He has rules to follow in his dealings with adversaries.

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's
posted some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear notice.

Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is insufficient
as a formal notice to desist.

Hmmm...since its technically been "published" I suppose it would be
official.

If it were me and I wanted him to stop contacting me, I would send him
certified mail indicating exactly that. Well, actually, I'd pay a lawyer
what it would cost to send the letter for me.

But that's only if I cared that he was wasting his time and money
writing letters.

Perhaps you think the mailman is stalking you, too, since he
visits your mailbox every day. And the goddamn phone company
people are criminal harassers, too, for publishing your phone
number and address. LOL!!

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the
only legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get legal
counsel from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his eye
on the line.

I ment why would buttless give useful advice to his enemy?

What I wrote above. It's hard to know what's in his head, but I think he
thinks the refusal to respond to what is no doubt very poorly written,
unprofessional correspondence (because all of his writing is poor)
indicates that his adversaries will allow him to obtain default
judgments against him.

In which case, none of the line-crossing he's doing would see the light
of day.

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post because
he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor
widdle thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone beyond
a "taunt fest."
I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO,
AB/Novins has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact that
he engages in the precise behavior of which he complains--trolling
and flaming--as well as going far beyond it--libeling and taking it
into real life.

I see your point. I'm getting so used to k00ks that they are starting
to seem reasonable.

Nothing about auk is reasonable--it's childish--but he has is taking the
position that he can stop the childishness of others by behaving like a
child with conduct disorder.

It's the difference between yelling "your mother wears army boots" and
taking an arsenal into a school.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than a
few enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at that.
It takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action,
particularly when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs of
me with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a *smarty*...*I*
caught on to the *distinction* between RL and usenet early.
Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your real
life in a meaningful way? Just curious.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and is
discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

Exactly. Buttless wont crush usenet; teh gubamint will.
If given the chance anyway under the well worn banner of "THINK OF TEH
CHILDRENS!!!1111!!!!"

But it's pretty obvious at this point that there are no more children on
usenet. It's not cool. The only people left here are middle-aged and
older.

Like in butlesses case? Yeah, gee...*who* woulda figured you come into
a NG and start flaming people and they respond?
It boggles, I tells ya!

He doesn't get that if it's not okay for them, it's not okay for him
either. He thinks the right to free expression--and beyond, i.e.,
libel--is inviolable, but only for himself.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
This is all just childish flaming, except to the extent that he, a
lawyer, has engaged in tactics no good lawyer would sink to use.

Some people really crave the spotlight.
The judge in the case of that famous blond bimbo (name escapes me atm)
was a perfect example of that.

--
Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

"You know you can indict a ham sandwich if you want to."
William J. Martini, Judge, United States District Court

§ñühw¤£f

2009-02-09 22:55:21 UTC

Your little piece of paper trash that arrived in my mailbox is
not welcome, you are hereby notified to stay away from me and
to stay out of my mailboxes. I will not call you on the phone
to discuss your "certain matters" (no doubt pertaining to your
severely ruffled kook feathers, I assume).

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in the
ass in real life. I love it.

Any additional pathetic attempts to harass and stalk me in my
real life will be scanned and made available for the entire
world to laugh at. If you actually do follow through on your
impotent threat to file some kind of legal action against me,
it will be most amusing to see what "damages" you claim to have
suffered as a result of your bleating and posturing on Usenet.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops and
report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those things
and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to knowingly
report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you
giving legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Mailing people in RL or the fLaming people online?

He has rules to follow in his dealings with adversaries.

Since he's a "professional".
Mheh...

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's
posted some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear notice.

Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is insufficient
as a formal notice to desist.

Hmmm...since its technically been "published" I suppose it would be
official.

If it were me and I wanted him to stop contacting me, I would send him
certified mail indicating exactly that. Well, actually, I'd pay a lawyer
what it would cost to send the letter for me.
But that's only if I cared that he was wasting his time and money
writing letters.

I'd scan it and poast it to usenet :)

Perhaps you think the mailman is stalking you, too, since he
visits your mailbox every day. And the goddamn phone company
people are criminal harassers, too, for publishing your phone
number and address. LOL!!

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the
only legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get legal
counsel from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his eye
on the line.

I ment why would buttless give useful advice to his enemy?

Ah...no contest rulings. Sure, set a court date and then hope the other
side cant be arsed...instant default.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
In which case, none of the line-crossing he's doing would see the light
of day.

What a waste of a law degree.
:(

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post because
he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor
widdle thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone beyond
a "taunt fest."
I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO,
AB/Novins has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact that
he engages in the precise behavior of which he complains--trolling
and flaming--as well as going far beyond it--libeling and taking it
into real life.

I see your point. I'm getting so used to k00ks that they are starting
to seem reasonable.

Nothing about auk is reasonable--it's childish--but he has is taking the
position that he can stop the childishness of others by behaving like a
child with conduct disorder.

Too bad there isnt a opt-in requirement that everyone read the "history
of meow" and know what UPA is before they make any posts to usenet.
It would save a lot of crushed egos.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
It's the difference between yelling "your mother wears army boots" and
taking an arsenal into a school.

Some people have very fragile self image and are easily hurt.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than a
few enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at that.
It takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action,
particularly when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs of
me with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a *smarty*...*I*
caught on to the *distinction* between RL and usenet early.
Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your real
life in a meaningful way? Just curious.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and is
discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

Exactly. Buttless wont crush usenet; teh gubamint will.
If given the chance anyway under the well worn banner of "THINK OF TEH
CHILDRENS!!!1111!!!!"

But it's pretty obvious at this point that there are no more children on
usenet. It's not cool. The only people left here are middle-aged and
older.

I know! Its amazing...theres folks here 60-70 years old. The average age
must be around 40 something...

Kids got the MySpace.

Like in butlesses case? Yeah, gee...*who* woulda figured you come into
a NG and start flaming people and they respond?
It boggles, I tells ya!

He doesn't get that if it's not okay for them, it's not okay for him
either. He thinks the right to free expression--and beyond, i.e.,
libel--is inviolable, but only for himself.

Theres a name for that...narcissist? Sociopath?
<shrugs>
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Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries

2009-02-10 18:55:29 UTC

Your little piece of paper trash that arrived in my mailbox is
not welcome, you are hereby notified to stay away from me and
to stay out of my mailboxes. I will not call you on the phone
to discuss your "certain matters" (no doubt pertaining to your
severely ruffled kook feathers, I assume).

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in
the ass in real life. I love it.

Any additional pathetic attempts to harass and stalk me in my
real life will be scanned and made available for the entire
world to laugh at. If you actually do follow through on your
impotent threat to file some kind of legal action against me,
it will be most amusing to see what "damages" you claim to
have suffered as a result of your bleating and posturing on
Usenet.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops
and report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those
things and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to knowingly
report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you
giving legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Mailing people in RL or the fLaming people online?

He has rules to follow in his dealings with adversaries.

Since he's a "professional".
Mheh...

These are the New Jersey Rules of Professional Conduct:

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/rpc97.htm

And since he's making even more threats, here are the Court Rules:

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/rules/rules_toc.htm

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's
posted some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear notice.

Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is insufficient
as a formal notice to desist.

Hmmm...since its technically been "published" I suppose it would be
official.

If it were me and I wanted him to stop contacting me, I would send
him certified mail indicating exactly that. Well, actually, I'd pay
a lawyer what it would cost to send the letter for me.
But that's only if I cared that he was wasting his time and money
writing letters.

I'd scan it and poast it to usenet :)

Perhaps as a part of a memorial site.

Perhaps you think the mailman is stalking you, too, since he
visits your mailbox every day. And the goddamn phone company
people are criminal harassers, too, for publishing your phone
number and address. LOL!!

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the
only legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get legal
counsel from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his eye
on the line.

I ment why would buttless give useful advice to his enemy?

What I wrote above. It's hard to know what's in his head, but I
think he thinks the refusal to respond to what is no doubt very
poorly written, unprofessional correspondence (because all of his
writing is poor) indicates that his adversaries will allow him to
obtain default judgments against him.

Ah...no contest rulings. Sure, set a court date and then hope the
other side cant be arsed...instant default.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
In which case, none of the line-crossing he's doing would see the
light of day.

What a waste of a law degree.
:(

He's not very smart, as evidenced by the fact that he has been given
many clues over many years, and he still does not understand how to
behave on usenet.

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post because
he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor
widdle thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone
beyond a "taunt fest."
I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO,
AB/Novins has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact
that he engages in the precise behavior of which he
complains--trolling and flaming--as well as going far beyond
it--libeling and taking it into real life.

I see your point. I'm getting so used to k00ks that they are
starting to seem reasonable.

Nothing about auk is reasonable--it's childish--but he has is taking
the position that he can stop the childishness of others by behaving
like a child with conduct disorder.

Too bad there isnt a opt-in requirement that everyone read the
"history of meow" and know what UPA is before they make any posts to
usenet. It would save a lot of crushed egos.

Avoiding flame wars would also work.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
It's the difference between yelling "your mother wears army boots"
and taking an arsenal into a school.

Some people have very fragile self image and are easily hurt.

The other side of that is people have a right to set and defend their
boundaries. What they don't have a right to do is encroach on the
boundaries of others in the process.

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than a
few enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at
that. It takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action,
particularly when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs of
me with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a
*smarty*...*I* caught on to the *distinction* between RL and
usenet early. Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your real
life in a meaningful way? Just curious.

It would depend on what it entailed of course :)
Coming to my house and making threats to my *face* would likely
result in some gunplay.
Montana has a law now that you can bust a cap in a tresspassers ass
if they're on your property, especially if they threaten you.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and is
discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

Exactly. Buttless wont crush usenet; teh gubamint will.
If given the chance anyway under the well worn banner of "THINK OF
TEH CHILDRENS!!!1111!!!!"

But it's pretty obvious at this point that there are no more
children on usenet. It's not cool. The only people left here are
middle-aged and older.

I know! Its amazing...theres folks here 60-70 years old. The average
age must be around 40 something...
Kids got the MySpace.

One among many.

Like in butlesses case? Yeah, gee...*who* woulda figured you come
into a NG and start flaming people and they respond?
It boggles, I tells ya!

He doesn't get that if it's not okay for them, it's not okay for him
either. He thinks the right to free expression--and beyond, i.e.,
libel--is inviolable, but only for himself.

Theres a name for that...narcissist? Sociopath?
<shrugs>

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/60709/609Narcissistic-entitlement

Great link, btw. Written by a lawyer, for lawyers.

Also this:

http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=1202423955810

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K. A. Cannon

2009-02-10 20:32:28 UTC

"Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries" <***@databasix.com> posted
<gmsj3f$157$***@blackhelicopter.databasix.com> in alt.fan.art-bell on
Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:55:29 -0600:

<snip>

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/60709/609Narcissistic-entitlement
Great link, btw. Written by a lawyer, for lawyers.

Like...wow.

A very interesting read.
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§ñühw¤£f

2009-02-10 22:58:52 UTC

steaming

Your little piece of paper trash that arrived in my mailbox

not welcome, you are hereby notified to stay away from me

and

to stay out of my mailboxes. I will not call you on the

phone

to discuss your "certain matters" (no doubt pertaining to

your

severely ruffled kook feathers, I assume).

LOL!!!
Your years of being a Usenet bastard are going to bite you in
the ass in real life. I love it.

Any additional pathetic attempts to harass and stalk me in

real life will be scanned and made available for the entire
world to laugh at. If you actually do follow through on your
impotent threat to file some kind of legal action against

me,

it will be most amusing to see what "damages" you claim to
have suffered as a result of your bleating and posturing on
Usenet.

If he's "stalking" and "harassing" then why not call the cops
and report it? Oh that's right, because he's not doing those
things and calling the cops would just get YOU in trouble.

Correct. It's a real-deal crime -at least in NJ - to

knowingly

report a "crime" where none exists.

Why would he take legal advice from a stalker? And why are you
giving legal advice to strangers online?

Its a form of threat.

It's something he is well aware he's not supposed to be doing.

Mailing people in RL or the fLaming people online?

He has rules to follow in his dealings with adversaries.

Since he's a "professional".
Mheh...

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/rpc97.htm

This looks intresting:
#3.6...sas does this:#3.1

http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/rules/rules_toc.htm

Similar to first cite in content.
#3.1 is mentioned there too.

Carl is obviously legally-illiterate. He seems to think he's
posted some sort of "notice" he can rely upon later.

I think that telling you not to write to him is pretty clear notice.

Crystal, huh?
:)

It appears that he has the idea that online notice is

insufficient

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
as a formal notice to desist.

Hmmm...since its technically been "published" I suppose it would

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
official.

If it were me and I wanted him to stop contacting me, I would send
him certified mail indicating exactly that. Well, actually, I'd pay
a lawyer what it would cost to send the letter for me.
But that's only if I cared that he was wasting his time and money
writing letters.

I'd scan it and poast it to usenet :)

Perhaps as a part of a memorial site.

In my book "information wants to be free".

Perhaps you think the mailman is stalking you, too, since he
visits your mailbox every day. And the goddamn phone company
people are criminal harassers, too, for publishing your phone
number and address. LOL!!

The mailman is evidently immune because Cry-baby Carl has not
"hereby notified" the mail carrier to stay away.
Did I mention legal illiteracy?

Surely this is one of those adversarial situations in which the
only legal advice you should be giving is the advice to get

legal

counsel from a competent attorney.

Why give advice thats useful to ones enemy?
I'm jus sayin...

Oh, it's not advice. It's a reminder. He's supposed to have his

eye

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
on the line.

I ment why would buttless give useful advice to his enemy?

What I wrote above. It's hard to know what's in his head, but I
think he thinks the refusal to respond to what is no doubt very
poorly written, unprofessional correspondence (because all of his
writing is poor) indicates that his adversaries will allow him to
obtain default judgments against him.

Ah...no contest rulings. Sure, set a court date and then hope the
other side cant be arsed...instant default.

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
In which case, none of the line-crossing he's doing would see the
light of day.

What a waste of a law degree.
:(

He's not very smart, as evidenced by the fact that he has been given
many clues over many years, and he still does not understand how to
behave on usenet.

I guess he could g00gle for something like "usenet conduct"...

I will not respond to any replies to this post.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, poor little troll is scared to post

because

he's getting sued over stuff he's posted in the past. Poor
widdle thang!

So far, to my knowledge, all Little-Girl-Carl got was a polite
letter.

And now he's told you not to write to him again.

These taunt fests are a laugh riot.

As evidenced by the original post in this thread, it has gone
beyond a "taunt fest."
I think it was Gary who suggested he should be Formosa'd. IMO,
AB/Novins has lost touch with reality, as evidenced by the fact
that he engages in the precise behavior of which he
complains--trolling and flaming--as well as going far beyond
it--libeling and taking it into real life.

I see your point. I'm getting so used to k00ks that they are
starting to seem reasonable.

Nothing about auk is reasonable--it's childish--but he has is

taking

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
the position that he can stop the childishness of others by

behaving

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
like a child with conduct disorder.

Too bad there isnt a opt-in requirement that everyone read the
"history of meow" and know what UPA is before they make any posts to
usenet. It would save a lot of crushed egos.

Avoiding flame wars would also work.

You mean discipline? Hell, thats unamerican :)

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
It's the difference between yelling "your mother wears army boots"
and taking an arsenal into a school.

Some people have very fragile self image and are easily hurt.

The other side of that is people have a right to set and defend their
boundaries. What they don't have a right to do is encroach on the
boundaries of others in the process.

Thus the invention of kilfiles :)

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
Ah, the countless hours of *free* entertainment they provide me.
Usenet: its a real deal in a shitty economy!
:)

You're a cowering spankard on Usenet, and soon to be a

cowering

spankard in real life. Your lower lip is quivering right

now,

isn't it? Cry, pussy, it's all you can do.
(PLACEHOLDER: Here's where several idiots claim, in ROT13,
that I'm "Bowtie" or "Greg".)

Or me. The idea they *might just possibly have made more than

few enemies over the years* doesn't penetrate their thick skulls.

Most people fight their flame wars on usenet and leave it at
that. It takes a special kind of kook to threaten legal action,
particularly when the kook is a libeling fuckhead.

Some people *never* get usenet culture.
Ive been mocked with death threats, websites with doctored jpgs

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
me with a nice headwound photoshopped in...etc...etc.
But I wear it as a badge of honor. I also have four or five
(forgetting now) newsfroups in my honor...but I was a
*smarty*...*I* caught on to the *distinction* between RL and
usenet early. Some people...not so much...

What would you do if someone actually mixed up usenet and your

real

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
life in a meaningful way? Just curious.

It would depend on what it entailed of course :)
Coming to my house and making threats to my *face* would likely
result in some gunplay.
Montana has a law now that you can bust a cap in a tresspassers

ass

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwâ¬Â£f
if they're on your property, especially if they threaten you.

Even one among them has turned on *them* without telling, and

discussing things in the "backchannel," LOL!

Well, I guess that'll come out in the discovery, eh?

Maybe CNN will pick it up...

concern

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
about bullying has to do with children--no one wants a 13-year

old

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
badgered until she slits her wrists.

Exactly. Buttless wont crush usenet; teh gubamint will.
If given the chance anyway under the well worn banner of "THINK OF
TEH CHILDRENS!!!1111!!!!"

But it's pretty obvious at this point that there are no more
children on usenet. It's not cool. The only people left here are
middle-aged and older.

I know! Its amazing...theres folks here 60-70 years old. The average
age must be around 40 something...
Kids got the MySpace.

One among many.

Maddie mentions 4chan or some anime related sites...I looked...it was
sillyness and agnst.

Like in butlesses case? Yeah, gee...*who* woulda figured you come
into a NG and start flaming people and they respond?
It boggles, I tells ya!

He doesn't get that if it's not okay for them, it's not okay for

him

Post by Rhonda Lea Kirk Fries
either. He thinks the right to free expression--and beyond, i.e.,
libel--is inviolable, but only for himself.

Theres a name for that...narcissist? Sociopath?
<shrugs>

http://www.bcgsearch.com/article/60709/609Narcissistic-entitlement
Great link, btw. Written by a lawyer, for lawyers.

NES...good call :)
Reminds me of the case of the lawyer vs the Korean Cleaner.
One damaged sport-coat is worth a millyun dollars...who knew?

http://www.law.com/jsp/law/careercenter/lawArticleCareerCenter.jsp?id=
1202423955810

Nice...reminds me of an article I read that detailed "brittle ego as a
cause of unrealistic self-esteem".

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2009-02-10 23:28:51 UTC

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:58:52 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwÂ¤Â£f
#3.6...sas does this:#3.1

3.7 is even more of a problem.

§ñühw€£f

2009-02-11 02:08:29 UTC

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Post by Aratzio
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:58:52 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwÂ¤Â£f
#3.6...sas does this:#3.1

3.7 is even more of a problem.

Read the third sub item in that. Looks like its ok to act as a witness
in your own case.
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2009-02-11 02:18:39 UTC

On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:08:29 -0600, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,

Post by Aratzio
On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:58:52 -0700, in the land of alt.usenet.kooks,

Post by Â§Ã±Ã¼hwÂ¤Â£f
#3.6...sas does this:#3.1

3.7 is even more of a problem.

Read the third sub item in that. Looks like its ok to act as a witness
in your own case.

:RPC 3.7 Lawyer as Witness
:
:(a) A lawyer shall not act as advocate at a trial in which the lawyer is likely to be a necessary witness except where:
:
:(1) the testimony relates to an uncontested issue;
Nope
:
:(2) the testimony relates to the nature and value of legal services rendered in the case; or
Nope
:
:(3) disqualification of the lawyer would work substantial hardship on the client.
Nope
:
:(b) A lawyer may act as advocate in a trial in which another lawyer in the lawyer's firm is likely to be called as a witness unless precluded from doing so by RPC 1.7 or RPC 1.9.
Nope

3.7.3a What would be the "substantial hardship"?
3.7.3b Only if there was another lawyer in the same firm being called.

§ñühw€£f

2009-02-11 15:42:22 UTC

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